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    Er den vestlige verden (les Europa) blitt for myk?

    Cultural degeneration has paralyzed the West in the face of its enemies.

    By Thomas Sowell
    European nations protesting Saddam Hussein's death sentence, as they protested against forcing secrets out of captured terrorists, should tell us all we need to know about the internal degeneration of Western society, where so many confuse squeamishness with morality.


    Two generations of being insulated from the reality of the international jungle, of not having to defend their own survival because they have been living under the protection of the American nuclear umbrella, have allowed too many Europeans to grow soft and indulge themselves in illusions about brutal realities and dangers.

    The very means of their salvation have been demonized for decades in anti-nuclear movements and protesters calling themselves "antiwar." But there is a huge difference between being anti-war in words and being anti-war in deeds.

    How many times, in its thousands of years of history, has Europe gone 60 years without a major war, as it has since World War II? That peace has been due to American nuclear weapons, which was all that could deter the Soviet Union's armies from marching right across Europe to the Atlantic Ocean.

    Having overwhelming military force on your side, and letting your enemies know that you have the guts to use it, is being genuinely antiwar. Chamberlain's appeasement brought on World War II and Reagan's military buildup ended the Cold War.

    The famous Roman peace of ancient times did not come from negotiations, ceasefires, or pretty talk. It came from the Roman Empire's crushing defeat and annihilation of Carthage, which served as a warning to anyone else who might have had any bright ideas about messing with Rome.

    Only after the Roman Empire began to lose its own internal cohesion, patriotism, and fighting spirit over the centuries did it begin to succumb to its external enemies and finally collapse.

    That seems to be where Western civilization is heading today.

    Internal cohesion? Not only does much of today's generation in Western societies have a "do your own thing" attitude, but defying rules and flouting authority are actually glorified. Balkanization through "multiculturalism" has become dogma.

    Patriotism? Not only is patriotism disdained, the very basis for pride in one's country and culture is systematically undermined in our educational institutions at all levels.

    The achievements of Western civilization are buried in histories that portray every human sin found here as if they were peculiarities of the west.

    The classic example is slavery, which existed all over the world for thousands of years and yet is incessantly depicted as if it was a peculiarity of Europeans enslaving Africans. Barbary pirates alone brought twice as many enslaved Europeans to North Africa as there were Africans brought in bondage to the United States and the American colonies from which it was formed.

    How many schools and colleges are going to teach that, going against political correctness and undermining white guilt?

    How many people have any inkling that it was precisely Western civilization that eventually turned against slavery and began stamping it out when non-Western societies still saw nothing wrong with it?

    How can a generation be expected to fight for the survival of a culture or a civilization that has been trashed in its own institutions, taught to tolerate even the intolerance of other cultures brought into its own midst, and conditioned to regard any instinct to fight for its own survival as being a "cowboy"?

    Western nations that show any signs of standing up for self-preservation are rare exceptions. The United States and Israel are the only Western nations which have no choice but to rely on self-defense — and both are demonized, not only by our enemies but also by many in other Western nations.

    Australia recently told its Muslim population that, if they want to live under Islamic law, then they should leave Australia. That makes three Western nations that have not yet completely succumbed to the corrosive and suicidal trends of our times.

    If and when we all succumb, will the epitaph of Western civilization say that we had the power to annihilate our enemies but were so paralyzed by confusion that we ended up being annihilated ourselves?

    — Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

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    Mye av det samme står å lese i en artikkel i Document.no idag:

    http://www.document.no/weblogg/archives/010447.html
    If you can't dazzle them with facts, baffle them with bullshit!

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    Sowell treffer spikeren midt på hodet her. Hva vi ser er en slags "deja vu" over hva Alexander Tylor skrev om The Athenian Republic, som led samme skjebne som vi (les vesten) er i ferd med å følge.....
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
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    Ja.
    Turbo bullshit...No real power.

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    Ingen som gidder å hive seg på diskusjonen her?

    Pleier jo å bli fart hvis USA har gjort noe "galt"......da har jo alle en mening......

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    Tja, er jo to ting som får opp tempen i diskusjons(utenriks) Norge , det er Israel eller USA.Andre ting er polprisene, bensinsprisene eller bompenger alt annet har sin interessegruppe. Nå glemt jeg idol på TV2 da.
    "saaatan din lille heltjævel, du berga dæ faen mæ den hær gangen å!"

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    Re: Er den vestlige verden (les Europa) blitt for myk?

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    Patriotism? Not only is patriotism disdained, the very basis for pride in one's country and culture is systematically undermined in our educational institutions at all levels.
    Nordmenn er ganske patriotiske i vestlig målestokk. Vi er ikke medlem av EU og det er ikke som i Sverige og Tyskland hvor det stort sett bare er nynazister som vaier med flagget offentlig. Vi elsker den årlige seansen hvor FN utpeker Norge til verdens beste land og vi takler dårlig at utenlandske medier skriver noe negativt om Norge.

    Tilbake til temaet så er vi høpløst myke, jeg minner bare om Krekar og de to flykaprerne som alle oppholder seg i Norge fordi vi er mer opptatt av deres enn samfunnets sikkerhet.

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    Europa som den svake, kraftløse døende gamle "mannen" er en populær bilde i noen miljøer.

    Er den korrekt?

    Mitt svar er nei.

    Takk være økonomisk integrasjon er vesteuropa (på linje med nordamerika) et fredelig sted på jorden. Har (vest)europa noen millitær utfordrer foruten USA som man ikke kan hantere i sitt nabolag? Svaret er nei. Den store utfodringen idag er å få med Tyrkiet og Russland som integrerte medlemer i den Europeiske gjemenskapen. Der må gamle fiendebilder fjernes.

    Som en del av NATO sammarbeidet har (vest)europa blitt avhengig av USA's kapasiteter på noen områden (feks strategisk lufttransport). Der pågår det et sammarbeid for at fjerne den avhengigheten.

    Under det kalle krig var den typiske vesteuropeiske forsvar organisert som et mob forsvar. Dette gav en relativ liten kapasitet til bruk av millitærmakt annet en til forsvar. Den omstilling fra mob forsvar til insats forsvar som vi ser i de fleste europeiske land vil endre på dette.

    EU's battle group konsept er som eksempel et første trinn til å gi Europa en felles kapasitet til globale offensive operasjoner.

    Når man ser på de siste 60 år så har europeiske makter som feks Frankrike (Afrika og Asia), Storbrittanien (Søramerika, Asia, Afrika) og Portugal (Afrika) ført krig uten støtte fra USA.

    At Europa og USA ikke alltid har sammenfallende geopolitiske intressen er neppe et tegn på Europeisk svakhet.
    Minsk, det nye Utopia

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    Litt på sidelinjen, men som på noen områder berører dette emnet. Leser i USA Today idag hvor den utgående sjefen for USAs styrker i A-stan sier at NATOs operasjoner i landet kan falle sammen om ikke NATOs medlemsland gjør mere mht styrkebidraget.

    General Eikenberry sa videre:
    "Could you have an alliance in which you have one group that is always going into the toughest places and fighting and taking casualties, and you have a second group that is in a different category?" Eikenberry said over the weekend. "Over the next several years, that is something that could be a challenge if it is not addressed."
    Mulig at han har et poeng her, dette spesielt når man leser i pressen at land så som Norge og andre har til dels sterke reservasjoner om styrkebidrag til områder hvor man kan komme i kamp, og hvor døde og sårede soldater kan bli resultatet.

    Hele artikkelen her: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...an-cover_x.htm
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    Sowell treffer spikeren midt på hodet her. Hva vi ser er en slags "deja vu" over hva Alexander Tylor skrev om The Athenian Republic, som led samme skjebne som vi (les vesten) er i ferd med å følge.....
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
    Fløypolitikk er mao. mindre hensiktsmessig? I såfall er jeg helt enig.

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