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    Sv: Tyrkia: kupp i Tyrkia in-the-works?

    Ikke bra. Et tyrkia som bikker over i Shariamodus er et forferdelig scenario. Det skulle jo være landet som skulle vise at muslimer kunne leve tilnærmet vestlig. Ataturk var på mange områder laaangt foran andre land i sin sekulære tilnærming. Når selv ikke det fungerer hva da?

    Begynner å bli mange diktaturer rund Europa nå. Russland, Hviterussland, INSERTnameStan/Djan og Tyrkia. Sistnevnte kan ha en uheldig miks av religion og demografi


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    US-Turkey Extradition of Fetullah Gulen

    Incirlik AFB closed down by Turkish gov.
    There is simultaneously a request of extradition for Fetullah Gulen (maybe not connected). Anti-ISIS operations cancelled.
    Extradition Request being entertained by Kerry.

    Kerry said Turkey would have to prove the wrongdoing of Gulen, who left Turkey in 1999
    https://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/1...ric-in-turkey/

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    "Hitherto, Erdogan’s personality and political skill have been their trump card. Now? Remember there are still some sidelined big beasts in the AK Parti jungle, such as former President Abdullah Gul. They cannot be happy today and they are not going away. Finally, there are the business backers of the party. What is going to happen to the economy? They too will be questioning whether Erdogan remains the asset he was--especially given some bizarre statements he has made about monetary policy. The opposition of course, will see this as an opportunity. Which they will probably botch."

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...source=twitter


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    Flashback til april 2007. Uttalelse fra tidligere diplomat og politiker (nå pensjonist) Onur Oymen. Ref "of the prospect of Mr. Erdogan’s party controlling the presidency, prime minister’s office and Parliament"

    Turkish Military Issues Threat as Voting Is Derailed

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/28/wo.../28turkey.html

    It was not clear on Friday night whether the military was prepared to oust Mr. Erdogan’s government if he continued to push Mr. Gul’s candidacy, but the warning was the sharpest it has made in recent years, and raised questions about whether Mr. Erdogan had stretched the limits of the secular state too far.

    The military issued a similar warning to the government of the Islamist politician Necmettin Erbakan shortly before he was forced from power in 1997; he remains under house arrest.

    “They will create for the first time in Turkey a very dangerous situation and upset all the balances,” said Onur Oymen, a leader in the main secular opposition party, of the prospect of Mr. Erdogan’s party controlling the presidency, prime minister’s office and Parliament. “In a country with a Muslim population, you can’t have democracy without secularism.”
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    En av mange bilder på folk som ble drept av kuppmakerne. Hun på bildet ble drept i et luftangrep på hennes arbeidsplass i Ankara.


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    En annen kvinnelig politi som ble drept i kuppmakernes luftangrep.




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    Nesten så man skulle tro han leide inn en gjeng for å lage litt bråk og "liksom kupp" for nettopp å oppnå det du siterte.
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    Critics Raise False Flag After Failed Military Coup In Turkey

    Some users on social media explained why they believed the Turkish president knew about Friday's failed military coup


    To many people watching the stunning events in Turkey overnight, the coup was nothing but 'theater' designed to strengthen President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's hand.

    http://www.vocativ.com/341593/critic...oup-in-turkey/

    Gülen: – Kuppforsøket kan ha vært iscenesatt av Erdogan selv

    – Det er en mulighet for at dette er et kupp iscenesatt for å legitimere beskyldningene mot meg og mine tilhengere de siste årene.

    http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/ku...lv/a/23742219/

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    Tyrkia: kupp i Tyrkia in-the-works?

    "For many, the arrest of Başbuğ on terrorist charges will be regarded not so much as demonstrating that the General staff is no longer untouchable but that the Gülen Movement has the power to imprison whoever it likes, regardless of the law, due process or the absurdity of the allegations; and further proof that in today’s Turkey it is not the military but the Gülen Movement that people need to fear."

    http://www.turkeyanalyst.org/publica...er-basbug.html

    Dette ble skrevet når Erdogan og Gülen fortsatt var allierte. Er ikke noen grunn å tro at den maktsyke islamisten Gülen plutselig ble en "good guy", kun for at han kom i konflikt med en annen maktsyk islamist (Erdogan).


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    Litt mer om Gülen.

    "Gülen has so far managed to recruit three million adherents in Turkey, America and the rest of the world. His idea was to ensure mass literacy of the Anatolian lower and middle classes, permeated with the moral values ​​of Islam and science, especially mathematics, chemistry and physics, enabling them to form a new Turkish elite capable of eradicating Kemalist secularism from Turkish society and state institutions, with the aim of replacing it with Islamic values."

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/osman-...s-real-mission


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    http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethulla...grand-ambition

    En til lang om Gülen. Her nevnes også at Gülenisterne målbevisst infiltrer forsvaret.


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    @lukman

    Hva er dine tanker angående

    - Dersom USA ikke utleverer Gülen

    - Dersom Hellas ikke utleverer de 8 som flyktet dit i helikopter.

    Forresten, har det blitt avklart i forhold til fregatten som ble kapret?
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    Rett bak Forsvarssjefen ser vi en soldat fra spesialstyrkene som ble drept av kuppmakerne da han gjorde jobben sin (personskydd av General Akar).

    Dette var ikke en "vanlig" militærkupp.


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    Tyrkia: kupp i Tyrkia in-the-works?

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    @lukman

    Hva er dine tanker angående

    - Dersom USA ikke utleverer Gülen

    - Dersom Hellas ikke utleverer de 8 som flyktet dit i helikopter.

    Forresten, har det blitt avklart i forhold til fregatten som ble kapret?
    Svar kommer når det blir litt redusert antal TIL-supportere her.

    ...

    - Hvis ikke USA gjør noe med Gülen, da vil NATO ha et stort problem.

    - Hellas jobber med saken å få offiserene utleverert. Blir nok litt surt hvis dem klarer å gjøre enn "Krekar", men nok ikke så mye mer.

    - Fregatten var det Reuters som rapporterte, siterte greske militære kilder. Har vært tyst om dette videre.


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    Ilker Basbug, tidligere forsvarssjef og nå forfattere av svært populære bøker om Ataturk, sier at utrenskingene i forsvaret etter fiaskokuppen vil STYRKE forsvaret. Han tilhører det gamle gardet av sekulære offiserer og er alt annet enn pro-Erdogan.


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    Finns noen mindre hyggelige bilder av sivilister som ble kjørt over av kuppmakernes stridsfordon. Tror alle skjøner hvordan feks en ung kvinne i lett sommertøy ser ut etter å blitt kjørt over av stridsvogn, så poster ikke disse bildene her.


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    Ombestemte meg, bildet er av en av de kanskje 100 sivilister som ble drept av idiotene som var ansvarlige for fredagens kuppforsøk.



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    Drøye bilder, lukis, men reality...

    Noen få (av ørti tusen) kommentarer hentet fra Reddit:

    I_haet_typos
    My personal theory: It wasn't staged, but Erdogan knew of the coup beforehand and let it happen.
    One year ago he purged the military, so the key figures who would plan such a coup were probably gone. A small faction decided they have to act now before he diminishes the military's power even more. They planned it, but didn't gain much support from the higher ups. Then Erdogan, who got to know of the coup, pressured them into couping premature by making them think that the plot will get uncovered soon, so they send out the small amount of coupists they have (Those are the ones who were active in the strategic important areas like the capturing of the TV stations) and mix them together with some drafted soldiers, whom they tell that it is an exercise (Those are the ones who surrendered pretty quickly once the civilians stormed at them, since they didn't know how to react since they thought it is an exercise). Erdogan of course was perfectly prepared, was out of town and quickly out of his vacation place, so that the coupist couldn't catch him. Probably there were a lot more people in the military who kind of supported the coup, but didn't want to risk anything and waited for events to unfold and see which side they will fight for. Through that reluctance though the coupist then didn't have enough ground forces to properly execute a coup.
    The thing which I am not sure about is the airforce. There won't be drafted men in the airforce since noone will decide that someone who will only serve for one or two years will get a pilot training. So they for sure were coupists. But how or why did Erdogan return so quickly to Istanbul BY PLANE, when its surely dangerous as fuck when there are Helicopters and Fighter jets around and possibly anti air on the airfield? Surely nobody would risk that. Even if his people tell him that the mostly drafted ground forces at the airport surrendered, who guarantees him that one desperate coupist pilot doesn't sweep in to shoot him down? Afterall they all knew that if the coup fails they can forget about their lives, because they'll be either killed or rot in prison forever. Also why was only one helicopter shot down and no jets if there were coupists AND loyals in the air? Surely the loyals would make sure that any rebel aircraft gets shot down, especially before Erdogan is returning. And why the hell bomb the parliament? I get the secret police building, but bombing the parliament in which 50% are part of the opposition? Wouldn't that be completely idiotic if you plan to have as much of a peaceful transition as possible? And why shoot at civilians in a chopper? Even the bombing of the secret police building is strange. It won't affect the opposition forces that much but surely will rile up civilians even more. If you want the coup to succeed quickly you don't bomb a building to kill 17 people of an organization which has 8000. At least not with the amount of disadvantages you get out of that.
    So maybe some of those attacks were comitted by loyals, to make it more dramatic and to make Erdogans justification to gain more power and purge the military even stronger. It only takes one pilot loyal to the government to throw a few bombs on the Parliament and the presidents palace, so not much of a danger of that information leaking out, unlike having hundreds of people on the ground comitting a false flag coup.
    Either way, the coup is a gift to Erdogan and he will fully use it. He already purged 1/3 of the judiciary system, around 2700 judges. you can't do that with 16 hours time, so he probably planned to do that for a long time and now he has the justification for it. The military will follow and he will be a man without opposition.
    And if people say that this is conspiracy bullshit I'd advice you to look up the audio leak in 2014 of a conversation between the Turkish foreign minister and the Chief of Intelligence, in which they discuss doing a missile attack on themselves to have justification for a military intervention in Syria. I wonder why so few people talk about that.



    weedz420
    He was just casually flying his passenger jet around giving live interviews on the news while his supposed enemies were using fighter jets to drop bombs on buildings. And the immediate action taken following the like 6 hour coup attempt before the dust has even settled? Remove from power thousands of judges and dozens of military leaders who had nothing to do with the coup.
    This was 1000% staged



    geraltoflibya
    I'm late to the discussion and I hope at least a few of you will see this.
    The US has been involved with solidifying regimes for decades now. We've done similar things recently in Afghanistan to a smaller degree. Take some time to read:
    https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297a...d%20States.htm
    Important:
    In response to the PDPA's ascension to power in Afghanistan, Zbigniew Brezinski, the United States National Security Advisor at the time, warned President Carter of the grave threat this could pose to the interests of the United States. Echoing the pervasive Cold War paranoia which defined the times, Brezinski postulated that the Soviets' intention was to use Afghanistan in order to exert its power and influence over the neighboring countries of Pakistan and Iran and eventually over the entire region of South Asia. Every measure, it was decided, must be taken to counter the possibility of Afghanistan turning communist
    So, you can see how maintaining any amount of levity in a region known to have the potential of a snowball effect of political influence that counters US policy, can be a great concern to US international relations.
    If one were to do a little research, you might come across some military actions that took place in Africa during the 1950-60 that "might" parallel actions recently transpired in Turkey. Using a keyword search for "pan-africanism" would help in your queries.
    For the past few decades, Turkey has been a colossal pain in the ass for US diplomatic relations. Case in point - they denied us the us usage of their real-estate for launching offensives against Iraq during the most recent offensive. You know - the one were we shit on the UN and forged ahead because "Merica" and Freedom Fries and all that horse shit.
    By helping the established government in Turkey repress a already known anti-establishment contingency, we have solidified potential relationships in support of potential military actions in the middle east. Not saying it's going to happen. But, by facilitating the continuation of the current Turkish government, we've propped the door open just in case we need it.. and at the same time demonstrated to other governments that we're willing to ensure their existence in the region.

    sheepsleepdeep
    We cannot be 100 percent sure, but the coup was most likely staged in order for Erdogan to increase his power.
    Reasons:

    • He wouldn't have been able to fly to Istanbul when most of the air force was on the coup's side and even harassed Erdogan's plane but didn't down.
    • He will be able to dissolve the whole secular Turkish Army with the excuse of this coup attempt.
    • Coup didn't cut off the electricity or net letting AKP supporters to gather in streets, didn't imprison politics letting them call their supporters to streets or didn't use tear gas to disperse AKP Supporters but bullets killing many.
    • Erdogan would be able to be the head of states in the next election increasing his authority to a greater degree.
    • Gulen, Erdogan's enemy who is accused of being the head of this coup, is not that dumb to be called as a man who can kill his own people to overthrow the government (btw I don't like Gulen at all for being Islamist as well).
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    Turkey's state-run media: Arrest warrant issued for President Erdogan's top military aide following coup attempt
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    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=672_1468630675

    (Grafisk)

    Ble det ikke skutt med 30mm fra helikopter mot folkemengde også?

    Ikke pent, men man bør kanskje tenke seg om to ganger før man står i veien for en stridsvogn, eller klatrer på en..

    Selvfølgelig forjævlig med uskyldige som blir drept..
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    Turkey's state-run media: Arrest warrant issued for President Erdogan's top military aide following coup attempt
    Oberst Ali Yazıcı var presidentens adjutant. Skal ha kidnappet en annen i presidentens stab.


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    Pågående operasjon mot flybasen i Konya (byen hvorfra de fleste tyrkere i Norge har kommet ifra).


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    11 kuppsupportere nettop pågrepet på Istanbuls sekundærflyplass.


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    Skal ha blitt brukt luft-bakke mot Konya basen idag.


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    Video av samme:
    https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/st...21972198707201

    Noe usikker på gehalten i dette (samme Twitrer):

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    Denne henger jo i luften:
    "Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said
    Stemning (!) på sjøen:

    Turks protest with hundreds of boats against the coup attempt and terrorsim on the Bosporus


    Boğaz'da "teröre ve darbeye hayır" protestosu
    İstanbul Boğazı'nda teknelerle "teröre hayır" protestosu düzenlendi. Her yıl düzenlenen "teröre hayır" etkinliğinde terör karşıtlarının yanı sıra darbe girişimi de protesto edildi. Protestolara yüzlerce tekne katıldı. İşte o görüntüler

    http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/video/v...rotestosu.html
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    "Today we know that Gülenist recruits had secretly climbed the steps of the military hierarchy over the past decades, with some even reaching the level of general. These people, who knew that they had been unmasked and would be sacked in the approaching Supreme Military Board (YAŞ) meetings scheduled for early next month, performed the self-mutilation witnessed by the world on Friday night, which resembled a suicide attack. Gülenist generals led some mid-level officers in what can only be described as the least successful military coup in history.

    One of the key problems for the Gülen Movement and their generals was their failure to garner any mass public support. As a cult, it did not understand Turkish society, nor did it want to. It could not see that the society that it wanted to lead was, first and foremost, loyal to and willing to die for democracy. Turks in their thousands flooded the public squares across the nation to teach these amateur coup plotters what it means to be a member of a democratic society. What transpired on the streets of Turkey will be written in the annals of democratic world history. Turks climbed atop tanks and put an end to all this nonsense. Gülenist pilots shot at crowds and showed that they can be as vile as the most violent terrorist organization.

    As their failure became apparent, they could not disguise their hatred toward the idea of democracy, freedom and modern society, and bombed a building that epitomized these: Parliament. It was no surprise that the strongest retort to what the Gülenist pilots were trying to achieve came from inside the same building. All the political parties represented in Parliament continued their legislative work. Opposition parties shielded the ruling party against Gülenist pilots in defense of democracy. They were bombed, but never retreated from their primary obligation to defend democracy.

    There is a lesson here that everyone should take heed of. No power that has not asked for and received the blessing of the Turkish electorate may control politics. When President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan called for the nation to flood the squares across the country, people from all walks of life and ideology answered the call. Gülenist-commandeered tanks faced a group of people with varied ideological backgrounds. Those on the streets included secularists, atheists, liberals, nationalists, conservatives and socialists. Gülenists confronted crowds full of straight and gay people, the elderly and the young, headscarved women and girls with miniskirts. Turks, Kurds and others joined hands, and the nation as one defended their democracy. The Gülenists lost, and now the entire democratic world needs to join this fight against Gülenism, whose followers believe that no matter who is hurt, their desire to control Turkey justify all sorts of nefarious actions.

    Just like those DAESH members who follow instructions to put on suicide bombing vests, Gülenists are used to following orders without question, no matter how foolish. This is no simple coup attempt. It was a kamikaze attack, and by taking the lives of dozens of civilians, they wrecked their cult once and for all."

    http://www.dailysabah.com/columns/se...enist-plotters

    Avisen er pro-Erdogan (etter at den ble kjøpt i en relativt avansert korrupsjonsopplegg). Et interessant element er "Those on the streets included secularists, atheists, liberals, nationalists, conservatives and socialists. Gülenists confronted crowds full of straight and gay people, the elderly and the young, headscarved women and girls with miniskirts. Turks, Kurds and others joined hands, and the nation as one defended their democracy.". Kommer Erdogan å bruke kuppen og Gülen til å bli mindre polariserende? Makt og penger er nok hans primære drivkrafter, da trenger han sikre bredd støtte (noe han ikke hadde for noen dager siden).


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    Det kan virke som man var nært å ta både Erdogan og statsministeren på fredagen. En styrke rappellerte ned på Erdogans hotell i Marmaris noen minutter etter han hadde dratt derifra, og flere kilder nevner F-16 som truet hans fly (som skal ha hatt egen jagereskorte). Det var også forsøk å ta statsministeren.

    SKILLE

    Dem som husker et helt år tilbake, dem husker hvor hardt AKP prøvde å finne en partner til en flerparti regjering.


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    Litt mer interessant info:

    - Generalstaben ble informert kl 17 på fredagen om at flere høye offiserer skulle pågripes tidlig neste dag. Forklarer hastverket med kuppen.
    - En av de pågrepne generalene er bror med en av lederne i AKP (Erdogans parti).


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    Litt mer interessant info:

    - Generalstaben ble informert kl 17 på fredagen om at flere høye offiserer skulle pågripes tidlig neste dag. Forklarer hastverket med kuppen.
    - En av de pågrepne generalene er bror med en av lederne i AKP (Erdogans parti).


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    I Tyrkia elsker man konspirasjonsteorier. Her kommer en ny fra lukman:

    Gülen har gjennom lang tid vært alliert med AKP, både politisk og forretningsmessig. Som vi vet så har det ikke kun vært en konflikt mellom Gülen og Erdogan, men også mellom Erdogan og mektige personer i AKP.

    Vi kan alle være enig om at kuppen var merkelig, ikke minst så var den ikke støttet av de gamle sekulære kemalisterne (husk at Basbug skrev idag at militæren vil komme styrket ut fra kuppen).

    La oss tenke tanken at målet ikke var å få bort AKP fra makten, men å ta over AKP fra Erdogan? Hvorfor flyktet Erdogan til Istanbul? Det er der han har sin politiske base. Først i kveld tørr han å dra tilbake til Ankara.


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    Opptøyer i Malatya ikveld. Skal være Erdogan supportere som angriper et Alevi nabolag.



    Kart som viser noe av kompleksiteten i regionen, her er det religion. Så kan man legge på etnisitet og andre elementer.


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    Ikveld har man også begynt med omfattende pågripelser av politifolk.


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    Men er det fare for at det kan kommet et nytt forsøk nå. Når militære ser hvordan ting utvikler seg og at mange blir fjernet uavhengig om de var med eller ikke. Eller er alle militære nå livredd for reprisalier at de ikke tør?

    Virker jo som Presidenten nå benytter muligheten til å fjerne alle han ikke liker trynet på eller som en eller annen gang har uttalte seg kritisk til han. Samt at noen bør jo få kontroll på lynchmobben hans.
    "saaatan din lille heltjævel, du berga dæ faen mæ den hær gangen å!"

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    Sitat Opprinnelig skrevet av lukman Vis post
    Opptøyer i Malatya ikveld. Skal være Erdogan supportere som angriper et Alevi nabolag.



    Kart som viser noe av kompleksiteten i regionen, her er det religion. Så kan man legge på etnisitet og andre elementer.


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    Usikkert hva som var hva i Malatya. Kan virke som det er en del PsyOps både i feltet og i sosiale medier, med mål om å måle opp et bilde der radikale Sunni angriper minoriteter støttet av Erdogan. En ledende opposisjonspolitiker gikk ut og advarte mot slike provokasjoner.


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    "The Turkish government has called in 1,800 special police forces to Istanbul from neighboring provinces to protect critical facilities and patrol the city, Anadolu Agency reported July 18. Istanbul's police chief ordered the police forces to shoot down any helicopters flying over the city, while President Recep Tayyip Erdogan ordered F-16 fighter jets to patrol the national airspace. At least 42 helicopters are missing in the wake of the failed coup, Sputnik News reported. "

    https://www.stratfor.com/situation-r...mpaign=article

    Sant eller falskt. Ryktene om de 42 helikopterne levde hele dagen i går. Men det som nok er sant er at situasjonen er dynamisk. Så er det to jokere i spillet (minst)...

    - ISIS. Må være fest i Raqqa nå, og mye planarbeid.

    - PKK


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    "Between 1984 and 2006 1,500 military pilots resigned, seeking better-paid careers in civilian aviation. This columnist first mentioned "the alarming level of pilot retention in the Air Force which jeopardized operational capabilities" in an article in April 2006. Since then, hundreds of officers have been purged, detained or retired in what the ruling party belatedly admits was a conspiracy against military officers.

    More than 800 military pilots have quit service since 2010.

    In addition, more than 800 military pilots have quit service since 2010 (of whom nearly 600 were combat pilots), further weakening the Air Force's overall training doctrine. The skies do not look bright for the Turkish Air Force."

    http://www.meforum.org/5105/turkey-poor-pilots

    Prøver egentlig å finne referanse på at luftforsvaret var først ute med å ha sanksjonert bønn i tjenestetid. Husker at jeg har lest det for noen år tilbake. Men det som er sitert fungerer greit for meg. Det vil si at luftforsvaret har vært åpent for islamistisk infiltrasjon.


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    Tweet som er en god indikator på at det er islamister som står bak fredagens fiasko.


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    Fra når Basbug ble forsvarssjef.

    "Two years ago Basbug publicly identified political Islam as a threat, telling military cadets: "Intentional, constant and systematic attempts are being made to erode the achievements of the Kemalist [Ataturk] revolution. Turning religion into an ideology will politicise it and religion will then be the biggest loser.""

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...5/turkey.islam


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    Antiterror politiet aksjonerer mot luftkrigsskolen nå.

    Ellers så er det pågående "omstillinger" i mange sektorer.

    8000 politifolk har nå blitt avvæpnet.
    Et stort antal governører er avsatte
    100+ Generaler og admiraler er fengslet
    Med mer...


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    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/chi...&NewsCatID=341

    Forteller om når broren til nestlederen i AKP brukte vold og truet å drepe forsvarssjefen kuppkvelden.


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    Mithat Aynacı, en Gülentilhengere som tidligere hadde høy stilling i Istanbul politiet ble tatt i et stridsfordon på live-TV under fiasko kuppen. Støtter opp under at det faktisk er Gülen som står bak.


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    Parlamentet skal evakueres grunnet sikkerhetssituasjonen.

    Offentlig ansatte har fått forbud om å reise ut fra landet.

    Minst en militærbase i Ankara er beleiret.

    Dynamisk situasjon.


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